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hello again higherside chatters from

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sunny san diego i'm greg karlwood and

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while the rest of the world trades

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and anticipates the decree that they can

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today we're gonna wade into the hotbed

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of weirdness that is the penny royal

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if you don't know and i definitely

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didn't the penny royal is a large area

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of kentucky that is home to a great deal

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of high strangeness activity

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abandoned mines the mammoth cave system

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and it's all right there at the

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foothills of the appalachians thought to

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well if you spent any sort of time

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looking into the paranormal you know

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that one of the key factors in

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unraveling many of the mysteries

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is place whether it's ley lines a potent

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and emotionally charged history or

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when people have high strangeness

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encounters we should pay extra attention

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to where they

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are and with the rich quartz crystal

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concentration the ancient mountains the

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history the seclusion and of course the

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this corner of kentucky is well worth

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our time and here to help us take a deep

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dive into the pandora's box of

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paranormal provocativeness that is

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spilling out of the penny royal

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is nathan isaac nathan is a lifelong fan

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of fortian phenomena who turned that

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love into labor and produced the eight

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part penny royal podcast series that

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covers a whole host of strange history

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activities sightings and events in the

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area and it is a pleasure to have him

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the summerset seeker of high strangeness

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and penny royal podcaster of pulaski

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county nathan my man welcome to the

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thanks craig man that's awesome dude and

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thanks for having me tonight man i'm

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super excited to talk to you about all

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this

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craziness of course of course i'm

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i thought your eight episode penny royal

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podcast was super interesting

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so many wild threads to talk about

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bizarre stories that

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get well beyond your typical bigfoot or

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silver ship sighting and i didn't want

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to give too much away there in the intro

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so i kept it kind of vague but

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to dive into this thing for people who

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no context at all what would be a good

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description of the penny royal area and

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the qualities that make it

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so unique i guess what i usually tell

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when we're talking about penny royal

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that goes from the appalachian mountains

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to western kentucky and then up to

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the bluegrass region where lexington is

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all the horse parks are so this

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the mammoth cave system is on the

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strangest feature

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of this whole you know mystery this area

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was finding out that actually pulaski

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the center of what nasa calls

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the kentucky anomaly right and so

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the kentucky anomaly is the largest

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the reason that i found this out the way

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that i found it out is that

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i'd i've been reading about sedona

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less of a hot spot for

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ufos you know that's too much tourism

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i was reading about it and they were

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having all of these sightings

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of ufos and i'd read about the quartz

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there's a giant quartz deposit beneath

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talking about

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this really intense geomagnetic field

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there and so i thought you know

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i can test this out i can grab some of

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agencies put out you can just drop those

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google earth so i did it and i thought

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geomagnetic intensities and

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i dropped it in and sure enough sedona

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an area of southern alaska and then this

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pulaski county it was

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and i thought this is crazy and then a

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few years later i ended up

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this is crazy you know at the time i

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that's associated with it

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that geomagnetic energy centers on

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in this area is different like when you

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look at the nasa maps they have an

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gravity well map and pulaski county's

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gravity is

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slightly different than the surface

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gravity around it which is strange

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but it's also hopkinsville where the

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hopkinsville goblins are right

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it's also edgar casey

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mantel siding there's the stanford

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abductions of the three women in the

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1970s that's just like

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30 miles north of here and just tons of

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lots and lots of bigfoot sightings

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cryptid sightings

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and the other thing i will note that i

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found in the process of

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researching all of this is that there

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a number of adena mounds like ancient

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from like the hopewell culture and the

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they really center on the ohio river

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kentucky where charles manson is from

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has a ton of them you know if anybody's

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read peter lavender's sinister forces

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they'll be familiar with the fact that

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he played on top of those so

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it was a strange thing when i found out

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that here in pulaski county that there

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was an adena mound

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and that was one of the areas that a lot

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of this strangeness

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centered around and it's strange too

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there's a highway here where a lot of

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this strangeness occurs at

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and if anyone's listening to penny royal

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dan dutton a famous kentucky artist he

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features prominently in the podcast and

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he's a close friend of mine

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and once we started digging into this he

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was one that pointed out you know

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highway 39 is

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one of the oldest roads in america it

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was part of the great warrior way

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you know when they were following

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buffalo traces

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that's where the name buffalo trace for

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the bourbon comes from is

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that these ancient american tribes were

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following these buffalo up through their

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trails

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and so one of those roads is highway 39

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that cuts right through here

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right past nadine moon right through

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this intense

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area and and then that's the other thing

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too you mentioned the quartz and the

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intro

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this area is just there's a heavy

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concentration of quartz

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and i think you know a lot of my

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research too about the sedona

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sightings and kind of that fed into what

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we found here was that

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there's just this weird spike in

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violence here and a history of violence

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in pulaski county

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and in this region but like extreme

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violence

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and i really wondered and i still

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believe that this is true but i wondered

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if

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the intense geomagnetic fields the

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intense electromagnetic fields

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coupled with the quartz you know was

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creating something like

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a piezoelectric effect or something that

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was affecting people's

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minds you know brains there's a high

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rate of

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mental illness here that's sort of

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unexplained and you know that's a

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favorite story of mine as

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a you know a lot of people that we've

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talked to that have worked at eastern

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state which is like the largest

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mental institution in kentucky and it's

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located in lexington

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anytime you bring up pulaski county

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apparently to the people that work there

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they're like what's going on down there

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because i think the last time we spoke

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to somebody was like 70

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of the people in there were coming from

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pulaski county

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which is strange so it's a weird region

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man and

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it's it's one of those things too you

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know that's the thing about the show

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you know that was sort of the goal going

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into

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creating penny royal i really wanted to

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look at the folklore

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of a place of this place and see the

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relationship between

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people and place and how place affects

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the people and how the people affect the

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place

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and this just turned out to be

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unbelievably weird

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and like it's just totally strange man

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it's just

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the deeper we dove into this and still

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yet the deeper we dive into it

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the weirder and weirder it gets and the

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weird it's just just

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the stuff we found man i mean you you've

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listened to the show the [\h__\h] about good

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tournament all that stuff is just

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absolutely nuts yes yes it it does get

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weird

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and in terms of this anomaly do they

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really have any idea

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what could be the cause of this like a

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comet or meteor impact are there other

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possible suspects as to what's causing

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this

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the only thing and when you read the

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nasa research on this

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it's lithospheric data which is data in

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the crust of the earth

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the idea is that there's some type of

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deposits deeper in the

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crust and that the core of the earth

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its magnetic field as it spins is

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somehow interacting with those deposits

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to create this but

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that's why it's called the kentucky

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anomaly you know nasa really doesn't

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know

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why there's such an intense spike here

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but there is i mean it's so intense

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that it causes the van allen belts to

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dip slightly

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toward this area to try to touch that

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magnetic field

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which is strange yeah it's weird man

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on the subject of why there might be so

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much weirdness in the area on top of

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that

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kenneth grant is one of several people

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to have suggested

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the adena or hopewell tribes or maybe

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even ancient humans

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at an even deeper time depth opened

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some type of portal in the area that was

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never closed and that is a provocative

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idea

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but do you know what they're basing that

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suggestion on

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yes i guess that was one of the strange

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things too that we found

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you know it's like truth is strangers

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and fiction right

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we'd heard you know i'll probably bring

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this up a few times but

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sinister forces you know live in

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dimensions grant and they're talking

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about

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the adena mounds and and kind of

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relating that to

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charles manson and some of this stuff

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near ashland but

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there's a story amongst the cherokee but

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also

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with the the hope well the adena that

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the priest class that the

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shamans had opened up a

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gateway here in this area well in the

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area of

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kentucky right from where we are sort of

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over to ashland and

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west virginia and up to where cincinnati

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is

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which was a gateway to the night side

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and that that gateway was never closed

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and because of that all of these things

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have been able to

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penetrate our reality as it were

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some people say that that's they talk

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about the mothman

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as being a part of that but the weird

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thing that we found

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which i absolutely didn't believe that

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we were gonna

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encounter this because i'd heard all

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these stories about cults and

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in groups here in the area practicing

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magic or

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doing nefarious things which i still

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discount you know i i don't think that

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there was any like coordinated group

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but what i did find what's more

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interesting is

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that there was a group in cincinnati of

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magicians

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in the 1970s

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who were led by a woman named nema or

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that was her magical name

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i think maggie ingalls was her real name

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and so

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she was a practitioner of i think she

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was a member of the oto

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originally but she was part of the

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typhonian order of kenneth grant's group

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and she formed

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this group in cincinnati called the bait

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cabal

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and they were part of a publication

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called the cincinnati journal

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of ceremonial magic i was lucky enough

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to get the entire collection it's

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absolutely fascinating but what we found

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was that she very much believed

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this concept and that's really where

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kenneth grant

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gets his concept of this portal being

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opened

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and she called it the cincinnati vortex

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right and that it stretched down into

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this area

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and this is totally unbelievable you

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know when you start to find this stuff

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that and the bait cabal

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and members of the big cabal were coming

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from cincinnati

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down here to pulaski county

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on the edge of the daniel boone national

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forest

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and they were performing rituals

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that they believed because you know

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kenneth grant and

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the baker ball and some of these groups

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they believe in

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this concept of the old ones but they're

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these

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praetor natural intelligences sure which

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which i was like this is too much you

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know after finding all the stuff that we

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found in penny royal

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to come across this and to find out that

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this group who truly believed

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that there were these beings and that

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they were performing

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time magic here in this area

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to prevent these intelligences from

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penetrating our reality it was crazy

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but she's really the reason why kenneth

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grant believes that and she believed it

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because

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the cherokee also have stories about

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this apparently something happened

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that was horrible enough to cause the

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cherokee

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tribes to kill all of their priests

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in one night and that's a thing that

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has popped up again and again and you

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know i don't know if it's related to

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this specifically but

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this idea of that that gateway over top

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of kentucky but

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it's so strange how it lines up with the

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whole kentucky anomaly

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research too right that here you have

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the largest spike of geomagnetic energy

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in the western hemisphere

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and a story about a rift in space and

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time

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that is allowing these things to come

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across

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so it's weird it's just weird how it

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lines up you know

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yes yes well we're off to the races now

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so i also wanted to step back to a weird

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little story that you talk about in the

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first episode

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uh i guess it would be called the

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kentucky

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meat shower of 1876

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one of the weirdest things that i have

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heard in a long time but

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tell people about this as an example of

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the kind of

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anomalous stuff that seems to happen in

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this area

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yeah so the first time i'd heard of it

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well obviously if anybody's familiar

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with

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charles fort and 40 and phenomena

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you know the book of the damned new

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lands

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he records a lot of stories about

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sky falls which is the proper term i

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guess you know

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but falls of fish falls or frogs those

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are sort of the common things

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the most uncommon obviously probably

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in the history of 40 and phenomena is

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this

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story from olympia springs which is the

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first time i heard about this

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olympia springs kentucky and i forget

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the name of the

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couple off the top of my head but this

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is i think late 1800s

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and they were in their backyard and

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suddenly there was this rain of meat

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from the sky and so there were these

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large

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chunks of meat what they identified as

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meat

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and they couldn't explain what it was or

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what it came from

571
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,080
their neighbors came over i think it

572
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,679
rained for like

573
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,440
five or ten minutes steady so there was

574
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:15,360
a large amount of this meat

575
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,960
and so strangely enough some people

576
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,760
tasted it

577
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,200
which i don't know if i would have been

578
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,360
so bold as to taste

579
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,440
meat that had fallen from the sky but

580
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,799
these people tasted it and they said

581
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:29,200
that it tasted like mutton

582
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:32,480
a lot of it was lost to time but

583
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,679
a piece of it was actually kept at

584
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,400
transylvania university which it ends up

585
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,600
being

586
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,200
the place that i went to college and i

587
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,640
didn't even know at the time i didn't

588
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:43,919
know that they were in their special

589
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:44,960
collections

590
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,840
that they actually had a vial of the

591
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:49,600
kentucky meat shower

592
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,720
that they preserved and if i had a god i

593
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,760
would have gone there but

594
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:56,000
at the time i guess i just wasn't doing

595
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,200
one of this research

596
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:59,280
you know 20 years ago and so it was fun

597
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,640
to find out that it was there

598
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,080
my alma mater you know but i had known

599
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,640
about that obviously from research with

600
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,039
40 and phenomena but while i was talking

601
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,520
to dan dutton here in pulaski county and

602
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,360
we were talking about the strange things

603
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,159
that happened you know on highway 39 and

604
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:19,120
in the area of campground road i

605
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,080
mentioned

606
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:22,159
the kentucky meat shower and that's when

607
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,360
dan was like

608
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,960
well we've had those things happen here

609
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:27,120
too you know that there have been frog

610
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,159
falls and

611
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,120
meat fall from the sky and his parents

612
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:32,799
had told stories

613
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,320
about this happening in the early

614
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,760
1900s and it's just another one of those

615
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,360
strange things where you're

616
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:44,000
finding out about the kentucky anomaly

617
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:44,480
and

618
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,679
strangeness

619
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,320
and portals and gateways and now

620
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,200
someone's telling you

621
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,840
well there's a long history of weird

622
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,600
[\h__\h] falling out of the sky

623
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:58,240
here in pulaski county and definitely in

624
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,200
kentucky and

625
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,679
there's just no denying that that a

626
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,440
well-documented meat shower

627
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,919
is something that's hard not you know

628
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:06,880
hard to

629
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,320
hurt to wrap your mind around right yeah

630
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:13,200
for sure i have always been fascinated

631
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:13,919
by

632
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,720
those sky falls as you say i think

633
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,360
that's why

634
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,159
magnolia remains a pretty decent movie

635
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,080
on my list even though the rest of it is

636
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,360
kind of slow

637
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,720
but have they ever figured out what that

638
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,880
is i mean the best conventional

639
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,559
explanation which isn't even good is

640
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,720
that tadpoles would get sucked up in the

641
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,240
water cycle and then

642
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,200
fall from the clouds later i guess but

643
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,720
have you ever heard of a better

644
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:40,880
explanation for that

645
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,640
the accepted explanation by scientists

646
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,880
which i don't believe this i'm not on

647
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:48,400
board with this but

648
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,640
the conventional theory is that a

649
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,840
flock of vultures and vultures

650
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,039
apparently vomit

651
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,400
often in flight and so

652
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,159
the thinking is that they had killed

653
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,400
something and eaten carrion

654
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,559
and as they were flying over the farm

655
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,559
the entire flock

656
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:11,280
began to vomit the meat that they had

657
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,760
eaten

658
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,280
and that's what this is you know that's

659
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:16,640
the accepted that is the accepted

660
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,480
view to explain this by science swap gas

661
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,080
swamp gas explanation well you know

662
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,679
the other interesting thing too is this

663
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,200
idea of star

664
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,640
jelly right yeah and god

665
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,400
there was a book that a guy wrote i wish

666
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,799
i now now that we're talking about this

667
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,400
i'm like i wish i could remember the

668
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,200
name of it but it was about

669
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,360
his attempts he believed that there were

670
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:43,279
these weird creatures

671
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,799
that lived in the upper atmosphere and

672
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,039
he would go up in a hot air balloon and

673
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,799
attempt to

674
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,960
find them apparently he says he did find

675
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,360
them that he's seen them with babies and

676
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:56,559
they look like these

677
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,799
see-through amoebas and

678
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,400
ever since i knew about that story in

679
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,640
that book i've always thought

680
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,480
is it just a dead one of those one of

681
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:08,559
those exploded in the sky somehow you

682
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:09,200
know

683
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,039
it's just one of those weird things you

684
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,480
can also think of like

685
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,679
a portation when an object drops out of

686
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,880
the air

687
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,880
and that that somehow this is related to

688
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,559
that but

689
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,320
i don't know i just think it's another

690
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,039
one of those weird things that

691
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,159
this area is just rife with

692
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,279
those kinds of things and weird spatial

693
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,039
distortions

694
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,919
weird time anomalies and all of those

695
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,279
things just

696
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,960
i don't know that it's just why do

697
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,960
things like that cluster in places like

698
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,039
this i don't know but definitely

699
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,440
i think the meat shower is and the

700
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,440
skyfalls that have been reported here

701
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:54,080
especially are just a part of that

702
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,279
phenomena somehow

703
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,919
you know right right well as interesting

704
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,039
as stuff from

705
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,679
above is i am always fascinated with

706
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,279
stuff from below

707
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,840
and you mentioned the hopkinsville

708
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:06,799
goblins

709
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,320
a story from 1955 it's probably one of

710
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,559
the most well-known weirdness stories

711
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,960
from the area but in the effort of

712
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:17,120
leaving no child behind what can you

713
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,320
tell people about

714
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,240
that particular story because it is

715
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,679
quite weird

716
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,039
you know i'd say most people know the

717
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:25,840
story of the sutton farm

718
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,200
in hopkinsville that they

719
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,799
saw light in the sky and

720
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:35,039
then for the rest of the night this

721
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,159
family

722
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,559
was besieged by these tiny little

723
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,960
goblin-like creatures

724
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,760
and the strangest thing though which

725
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,799
doesn't sort of

726
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,760
jive with other stories of alien

727
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,960
encounters

728
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:51,360
that they actually came into conflict

729
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,000
with these

730
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:54,400
creatures and were shooting at them and

731
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,360
so whenever they

732
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:58,400
hit one of them they would spin in the

733
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,120
air

734
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:01,279
and there was a sound as if the bullet

735
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,559
hit metal

736
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,320
and so that's a strange detail i've

737
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,600
always thought

738
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,480
was weird but i would say this is one of

739
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:10,960
the most documented if not the most

740
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,919
you know widely accepted actual

741
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,440
encounters with something strange

742
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,600
there were so many witnesses law

743
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:19,440
enforcement was involved you know they

744
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:19,840
end up

745
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,440
having the sheriff come

746
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:26,400
to the farm he sees all of these [\h__\h]

747
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,880
like they

748
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,520
obviously were shooting at something

749
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:31,919
they at least believed something was

750
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,200
attacking them and so

751
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,400
that is the origin of the

752
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:41,440
term little green men it comes from that

753
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,400
encounter

754
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:45,520
that ended up in the paper now

755
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:49,440
there's a belief that these creatures

756
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:50,840
that were encountered that it could have

757
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,000
been a ufo crash of some sort

758
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:56,400
and so they came to the farm they

759
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,120
encountered

760
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:00,159
the sutton family and then

761
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,400
they go down into a cave

762
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,559
on sort of the back side of of that

763
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,400
family's farm

764
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:11,279
and you know as you kind of spin forth

765
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,799
there was this idea that

766
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,279
maybe they entered the mammoth cave

767
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:16,720
system that stretches

768
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,559
all the way across kentucky and somehow

769
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,000
have existed there you know and

770
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,080
increased in number possibly

771
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,760
and then obviously people that are

772
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,679
familiar with hell year

773
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,880
or any of the sightings of

774
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,080
and not just hell year though there

775
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,760
there's stories of these little

776
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,399
creatures that come out of caves

777
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:41,120
this idea of tommy knockers in the coal

778
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,399
mines

779
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,679
people call these things all kinds of

780
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:45,840
different names but it's really

781
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:46,640
fascinating that

782
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:50,480
that's sort of that very early

783
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,399
ufo encounter also is tied to

784
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,440
a number of sightings with sort of

785
00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:00,480
caves in kentucky and also i will point

786
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,120
this out

787
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,240
that is the only ufo

788
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,279
siding slash encounter that is

789
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:08,559
officially

790
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,000
reported by the cia the cia

791
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,080
sent a guy named john maul holland who

792
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,240
is a stage magician

793
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,480
to investigate and file an actual report

794
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:25,760
on the hopkinsville goblin encounter

795
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,399
which is totally crazy yeah it

796
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,440
definitely is

797
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,000
and i wanted you to lay that out so that

798
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,880
we could

799
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,880
mention what happens in hell year

800
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,880
because for people who haven't seen the

801
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,960
hellier series it kicks off with a

802
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,240
similar story

803
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:43,200
from 2012 of a guy who is so desperate

804
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,000
for help

805
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,320
with this kind of situation he reached

806
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,640
out to a local paranormal investigation

807
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,919
group and said that these little green

808
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,360
creatures were coming out of a mine at

809
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,720
night on his property

810
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,799
and tapping on his kids windows and just

811
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,559
generally freaking them out

812
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,600
and that show hellyer is a

813
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,240
wild ride that for me i didn't really

814
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,760
feel like it ever really reached the

815
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,840
heights of that first episode and i

816
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:07,279
don't feel like it really stuck the

817
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,159
landing

818
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,919
but that story is still super

819
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,760
interesting and it turns out that both

820
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:14,320
places where these goblin creatures

821
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,279
emerged

822
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,320
57 years apart are on the surface in

823
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,760
different areas but they are

824
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,760
both connected underground by that

825
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,919
mammoth cave system right

826
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,120
right yeah and see the thing too about

827
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,880
somerset pulaski county because of the

828
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,440
karst geology here

829
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,080
we have what's called the sloanes valley

830
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,679
cave system

831
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,760
it's the 13th or 14th largest cave

832
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,080
system in the united states and it

833
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,919
actually connects with the mammoth gate

834
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:42,960
system you know

835
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:46,000
in different parts all this stretches

836
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,880
eastward

837
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:49,279
all the way to the eastern tip of the

838
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,240
state where

839
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:53,840
hell year is the town of hillier

840
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,159
it's actually a suburb of elkhorn city

841
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,000
i love it man and in terms of evidence

842
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,520
there's also in

843
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:04,320
at least some of these cases three-toed

844
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,039
footprints

845
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,799
the next morning when people come out to

846
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,799
investigate right that's something

847
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,640
yeah man that's the strangest thing too

848
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,559
i mean obviously that's what

849
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,159
hellyer focuses a lot on these

850
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:16,159
three-toed footprints

851
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,000
if anyone has read the rebirth of pan

852
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,360
by jim brandon who is really

853
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,480
william grimstad who is a very

854
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,320
controversial character

855
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,679
or author i've heard you say that before

856
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,080
would you mind elaborating on what he

857
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,919
said that's so controversial i just find

858
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,080
myself like a moth to a flame attracted

859
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,919
to the word controversial and what might

860
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,919
be hiding behind it

861
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,240
well i mean this is part of what's come

862
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,679
out in

863
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,320
our investigation too of penny royal

864
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,600
which is kind of

865
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,120
it's just crazy how all this is

866
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:52,720
connected but

867
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,000
i've always been fascinated by in a

868
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,760
fond fan and reader of james shelby

869
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,720
downer

870
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:03,440
sort of the grand old man of conspiracy

871
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,159
theory i think

872
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,679
a lot of people that talk about ideas

873
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,960
like

874
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,000
mystical taponomy and synchromysticism

875
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,600
all these things a lot of people don't

876
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:15,600
realize that it goes back to

877
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:20,720
downward right and there's this idea

878
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,320
that possibly downard is a

879
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,279
literary invention and that he was the

880
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,039
literary invention

881
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,679
of michael hoffman who's a very well

882
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,120
known

883
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,200
i hate saying conspiracy theorists but

884
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,320
you know i guess

885
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,000
you know he is a conspiracy theorist but

886
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,600
for lack of a better term yeah

887
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:42,880
yeah you know but michael hoffman and

888
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,240
also another gentleman named william

889
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,480
grimstead bill grimstad

890
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:51,840
now bill grimstad william grimstead

891
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:55,600
also wrote under the name

892
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,960
jim brandon so he wrote a book called

893
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,480
weird america

894
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,120
and then also this other book which

895
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,200
became a big part of hellier

896
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,159
called the rebirth of pan which covers

897
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,159
you know all this stuff about you know

898
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,760
grimstead as jim brandon was in kentucky

899
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,480
quite a bit

900
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,679
and this is another one of those things

901
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:17,519
you know i'm a huge fan of downer i'm

902
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,399
digging into this

903
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:21,039
and then suddenly i find out these guys

904
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,080
were here

905
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,440
you know here in kentucky that downered

906
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:28,320
lived and grew up in kentucky that

907
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:29,279
downard

908
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,399
went to college 30 miles 40 miles

909
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:35,360
north of somerset at center college

910
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:35,840
right

911
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,440
in the 1930s and so you find out that

912
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,559
william grimm said he

913
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,320
he's the guy that created this concept

914
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,720
of the lafayette factor

915
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:47,360
or the fayette factor that places with

916
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,399
the name fayette

917
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,120
like lafayette or fayette county which

918
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,120
is where lexington is

919
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,880
all these different places that there's

920
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,880
this inherent weirdness

921
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,039
attached to that name and so then he

922
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:01,039
goes in this whole idea of power names

923
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:01,679
and

924
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,360
sort of

925
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,480
spirit to the land here in america

926
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,720
and then he talks about the three-toed

927
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:11,840
footprints

928
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:15,440
and how those relate to this idea of

929
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,519
the green man of pan of sounenos

930
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,919
you know the horn god so anyway all

931
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,760
those things are fascinating they're

932
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,480
it's meeting material for foreign

933
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,760
researchers

934
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,039
anyone that's interested in high

935
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,120
strangeness well

936
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,039
he's writing these books as jim brandon

937
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,799
when you dig into who

938
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,360
william grimstad is you find out that he

939
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:39,039
and hoffman

940
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,840
were part of the american nazi party

941
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,559
and that these guys were holocaust

942
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:47,600
deniers

943
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,240
that grimstead was the editor

944
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:55,120
and hoffman too we're working pushing

945
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:55,519
some

946
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,679
very racist ideas and very anti-semitic

947
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,519
ideas

948
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,279
and i think that's one of the things too

949
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,039
that the idea of

950
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,919
king kill 33 that jfk assassination may

951
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,119
have been some type of

952
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,960
killing of the king ritual right which

953
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,320
is a fascinating thing to

954
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:14,240
think about and the symbolism that's

955
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,520
attached to it you know you definitely

956
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,639
talk to people that

957
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,480
you know are familiar with that and a

958
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,879
lot of your listeners are

959
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,159
but a lot of people you know when you

960
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,240
think back to downard

961
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,399
when he published that article you know

962
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,679
michael hoffman

963
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,760
was the co-author and really i think

964
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,760
probably the author

965
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,879
and then grimstad is involved in a lot

966
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:37,200
of the publishing he's the co-author

967
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,720
in a lot of the downward material so

968
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:43,280
it's as if they're using down or whether

969
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,399
he existed or not

970
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,599
which is another thing that we're

971
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,159
working on

972
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,000
there nonetheless exists this

973
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,240
undercurrent of fascism

974
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:55,440
you know and anti-semitism and racism

975
00:35:03,829 --> 00:34:59,680
that is part and parcel of their beliefs

976
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:03,839
about this quote spirit of the landscape

977
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,599
right that i think has to

978
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,560
be taken into account when considering

979
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,359
their

980
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,480
ideas of high strangeness so

981
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,240
it's just one of those things that i

982
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:17,920
think you have to address it definitely

983
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,599
the second season of penny royal when it

984
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,240
comes out and we've got most of it done

985
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,839
it deals with that it deals with our

986
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,440
investigation of downer but you know you

987
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,960
have to address those things you keep

988
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,720
finding those things and

989
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,240
i think you have to talk about those

990
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,480
things because you don't want to

991
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,680
give a platform to those underlying

992
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,040
ideas

993
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,359
because obviously grimstead and hoffman

994
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:43,040
no doubt believe

995
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,240
that the ancient culture of america

996
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,800
right that that laid the foundation of

997
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,079
all this mysticism

998
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,440
was an aryan group so

999
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,040
you know it's fascinating i'm telling

1000
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,800
you but also it's like

1001
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,640
i dig into this stuff and then i find

1002
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,079
out that downard

1003
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,440
is in fort thomas kentucky you know that

1004
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,880
that's where his family was really

1005
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,880
located at it's strange too that this

1006
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,320
isn't in the podcast but

1007
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,880
you know that's where the most famous

1008
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,040
murder in american history

1009
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,079
up through the 1800s happened that was

1010
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,079
the murder of pearl brine

1011
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,240
where bobby mackeys is where they

1012
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,000
decapitated this girl

1013
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,320
there's hundreds of ballads about this

1014
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,520
and it all took place

1015
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,280
right where downer it is right where

1016
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,280
this bastion of like

1017
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,240
high strangeness is and then again he

1018
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:33,599
went to school here like

1019
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,119
30 miles 40 miles north of somerset

1020
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:40,079
here's this guy right in the center of

1021
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,960
all the weirdness

1022
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,920
you know yeah that is wild and i figured

1023
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,440
it had to have something to do with

1024
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,160
race because what else would be that

1025
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,599
uncomfortable to talk about

1026
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,920
anymore but hey living in the conspiracy

1027
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,640
world

1028
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,920
you're gonna deal with these kind of

1029
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,680
things i will say that too

1030
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:58,160
that that's one of the things penny

1031
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,200
royal

1032
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,560
when i started working on it was back

1033
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,800
and it started in 2017

1034
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,280
and really the recordings began in

1035
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,599
january 2018 right

1036
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,040
at the time i was interviewing all these

1037
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:10,720
people none of the

1038
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:13,839
q anon stuff none of the ideas of like

1039
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:17,200
pizzagate at least were really prominent

1040
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:21,119
and as i neared the completion

1041
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,520
of the podcast and there is that weird

1042
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,599
cult element to the story that's

1043
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,960
undeniable you know that's why i tell

1044
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,680
people it's like

1045
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,200
we're not making it up i mean it's a

1046
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,040
real

1047
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,160
thread of the folklore here this

1048
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,200
idea of these cults right and i was

1049
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,520
terrified that i was going to release

1050
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:42,320
the podcast

1051
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:45,440
in the midst of this

1052
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,720
environment a media environment and that

1053
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:51,839
q anon or an extremist group would

1054
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:54,880
latch on to penny royal and then

1055
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:57,920
use it as evidence that kids were being

1056
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,200
held in the caves in kentucky you know

1057
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,359
i i i guess that would be a valid

1058
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,280
concern actually now that i think about

1059
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,880
some of the material that you end up

1060
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:08,640
getting into and

1061
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,160
on the subject of colts there is a part

1062
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,359
where you talk to a woman named pamela

1063
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,720
richards who

1064
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:19,599
says she was brought up in pulaski

1065
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,240
county

1066
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,320
and was brought up in a cult when she

1067
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,520
was a child

1068
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,560
apparently during some ritual events

1069
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,640
she was covered in blood she was given

1070
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,640
drugs she was taught to sacrifice

1071
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:32,000
animals alive

1072
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,520
and she would hear their screams at

1073
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,839
night and on at least one occasion she

1074
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,920
claims human sacrifices were made and

1075
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,760
their bodies were cut up and taken to

1076
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,119
the mouth of a cave

1077
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,640
by kids in a ritual procession

1078
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,400
i mean these are some pretty hardcore

1079
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:48,960
claims but she is not the only one

1080
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,400
saying stuff like this is she yeah so

1081
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:54,000
that was

1082
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,720
whole

1083
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,400
the mystery you know the penny royal

1084
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:01,920
mystery you know let's

1085
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:05,119
call it that i started researching all

1086
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,079
this stuff

1087
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,880
because when we moved down here i was

1088
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,119
driving around

1089
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,160
the town square and it's kind of a

1090
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,800
circle that you go around and there was

1091
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:19,040
this group of people with these signs

1092
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:20,480
that they were holding up

1093
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,079
towards city hall and the signs said

1094
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,880
you know you did it and so i thought

1095
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,000
what in the world is this

1096
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,960
this is crazy so i get back to the house

1097
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,680
and i'm talking to my neighbors

1098
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,839
and i'm asking him like hey you know i

1099
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,240
saw this like really crazy

1100
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,040
group of people downtown and they've got

1101
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,359
these signs you know what's going on

1102
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,599
so they told me about these murders

1103
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,280
these unsolved murders

1104
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:50,160
that happened in 1994 very high profile

1105
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:50,960
murders

1106
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,640
dateline came here in 2019 it was the

1107
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,520
25th anniversary

1108
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,720
it was linda gibson and cody garrett

1109
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,960
and she was 21 he was four and a half he

1110
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,400
was her half brother

1111
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,920
and they were last seen on

1112
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,040
the fourth of july 1994

1113
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,040
getting into a car and then they were

1114
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,800
found three days later

1115
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,000
mutilated on the city limits

1116
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,400
and it's a really really strange case

1117
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,480
you know anybody can look this up but

1118
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:23,680
like i said it's been covered by some

1119
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,440
true crime stuff and dateline

1120
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,119
she actually lived down the street from

1121
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,960
us and the place they were last seen is

1122
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:32,160
literally around the corner from my

1123
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,440
house right

1124
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,359
so they're telling the story they're

1125
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,640
saying that it's connected to this cult

1126
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,960
here in town right that there's this

1127
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:41,680
cult

1128
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:44,960
it's an eyes wide shut sort of

1129
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,160
motif it's the upper crust the

1130
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:51,200
the patriarchs of the five richest

1131
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,560
families are

1132
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,800
part of this thing and it goes deep into

1133
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:56,079
you know that they're having these sex

1134
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,040
parties and

1135
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,920
there's drugs and ritualism people are

1136
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,960
in robes and i thought

1137
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,520
this is absolutely bonkers right like

1138
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,440
there's no way

1139
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,680
not to not not to say anything

1140
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,599
disparaging the area but i was like

1141
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,960
you know there's no way these country

1142
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,640
bumpkins are

1143
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:15,280
worshiping some type of elder gods or

1144
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,079
doing anything

1145
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,079
of that sort right and i just thought

1146
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:19,680
you know there's no way

1147
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,359
and definitely in um researching this

1148
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,560
deeper i found out that the story i was

1149
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,000
originally told

1150
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:30,480
was actually an amalgamation of three

1151
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,040
different

1152
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,200
murders here in town now the two that

1153
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,280
we're talking about are definitely

1154
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:38,000
they absolutely happen but they tie into

1155
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,800
a whole other

1156
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,599
like a separate weirdness but anyway i

1157
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,720
found out about those i heard about

1158
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:43,760
those

1159
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,880
stories tied to this cold and i for the

1160
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,720
most part once we had dug into

1161
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,599
researching it

1162
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:52,480
had decided there's no cult that this is

1163
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,200
just

1164
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,920
local rumor sort of sort of this like

1165
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,280
twin peaks

1166
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,920
you know element to how people think

1167
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,440
about things you know the people in

1168
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,720
power are

1169
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,440
doing these terrible things to people

1170
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,560
well

1171
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,760
that's when the hell your crew shows up

1172
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,119
so greg newkirk

1173
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,560
comes comes to town he knows

1174
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,800
kyle cadill there's a friend of mine who

1175
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,920
runs the

1176
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,440
this is strange too you know how many

1177
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,520
towns have a paranormal museum

1178
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,839
you know in them and so here here we

1179
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,040
have kyle cadilla and

1180
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,480
there's this international paranormal

1181
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,800
museum and he would go to these

1182
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:31,040
conventions and he ended up meeting greg

1183
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,319
and dana newkirk

1184
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,839
because they also were on the convention

1185
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,079
circuit and so

1186
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,960
after hilliard come out they'd contacted

1187
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,319
him he talked to him a few times and

1188
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,160
they said they were in the area and they

1189
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:44,160
came by to interview him just about

1190
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,440
kentucky he didn't know they were even

1191
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,520
shooting the second season of the show

1192
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,880
and so they'd ask you know is there

1193
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,800
anybody else we should talk to

1194
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,480
and he told them that you know you

1195
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,280
should talk to nathan because he's

1196
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,640
researching all the stuff he's got all

1197
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,640
this all these stories all this folklore

1198
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,480
about the area

1199
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,040
and so they contacted me and we met in

1200
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:05,359
our studio above jar flow brewing

1201
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,960
and greg asked me about the weird stuff

1202
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,240
and so i told them all the stories of

1203
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,319
how strange just all that

1204
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,359
and he said well what do you think's

1205
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,359
going on and i said let me tell you

1206
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,800
about the darker stuff right let me tell

1207
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,760
you about the crime

1208
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,760
and so i told them all the criminal

1209
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,119
stories some of the stuff i just told

1210
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:22,960
you but other things too

1211
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:26,560
and that's when he that's when he told

1212
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,040
me

1213
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,359
that they had been contacted that no one

1214
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,640
knew this but that they had been

1215
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:31,839
contacted by

1216
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,359
a woman in somerset telling them

1217
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,800
that there was this cult here and that

1218
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,760
they were

1219
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,599
killing children and all this just

1220
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,119
totally crazy just the

1221
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,079
crazy stuff but what he was telling me

1222
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,359
was the same

1223
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,400
stuff that we had heard from pamela

1224
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,240
and there were three other women with

1225
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,240
the same stories here in town

1226
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,160
right now pamela did point out that

1227
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,520
there was one other woman that had

1228
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,680
exactly the same memories as her

1229
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,200
but they both shared the same

1230
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:04,880
psychiatrist

1231
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:07,920
which is suspect this is exactly the

1232
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,480
time

1233
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:11,760
of the satanic panic and i'm not saying

1234
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,079
that

1235
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,440
nothing happened to pamela i mean

1236
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:15,599
obviously she suffered trauma you know

1237
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,000
that

1238
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,119
things to

1239
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,160
record of the show and

1240
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,760
something that i'd never tackled before

1241
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,599
was sort of the ethics

1242
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,319
of how do we approach you know because

1243
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,520
that was definitely

1244
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:30,960
a part of the folklore and here was

1245
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,599
someone that really wanted to tell us

1246
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,240
her story and how you handle it because

1247
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,640
it's very sensitive material

1248
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,359
and like i said she absolutely believes

1249
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:44,240
those things happen to her

1250
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,240
but anyway greg newkirk is telling me

1251
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,640
literally that there's a woman that i

1252
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,560
don't know that i haven't interviewed

1253
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:55,119
that has contacted them telling them the

1254
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:55,680
same

1255
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,359
story about cults and green men

1256
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,520
and all this crazy [\h__\h] well that's

1257
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:02,800
scared

1258
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,079
i thought

1259
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,880
what if we are you know for me at that

1260
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,920
point was kind of still

1261
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,160
fun and we were like looking at all the

1262
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,560
local crime and the high strangeness

1263
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,720
and then he tells me that i think what

1264
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,640
if there really is something going on

1265
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,280
here

1266
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,440
and what if we're poking our nose in it

1267
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,160
and we shouldn't be

1268
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,599
and so that definitely freaked me out

1269
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:27,599
and they left you know and after that

1270
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,880
i told darian and kyle you know or the

1271
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,920
co-producers on the

1272
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,079
show that maybe we should just stop

1273
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,200
doing this

1274
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:37,119
because like i have zero interest in

1275
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,560
trying to solve

1276
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:41,040
murders right leave that to the police

1277
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,839
and

1278
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,680
we did sort of let it cool down for a

1279
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,119
while but it's just one of those things

1280
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,400
that

1281
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,720
we looked at it again and we couldn't

1282
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,480
stop looking at it

1283
00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:52,560
and honestly talking to you know that

1284
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,280
was what was so weird was the

1285
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,359
intersection between hillier

1286
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,560
and pennyroyal was so

1287
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:03,920
strange because i was working with dan

1288
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,920
dutton this very well-known artist

1289
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,000
in america but also a super famous

1290
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:11,680
kentucky artist

1291
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:15,200
on a documentary about an experience he

1292
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,680
had

1293
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,359
while making one of his operas called

1294
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:19,440
the fawn about pan

1295
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,599
right and i'm filming a documentary

1296
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,160
with him about an experience he had in

1297
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,240
elkhorn city kentucky

1298
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,400
where he feels like he encountered the

1299
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:32,560
archetype of pan

1300
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,240
and then hellyer comes out and

1301
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,880
it turns out that somerset is actually

1302
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,119
like the last half of the show

1303
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:44,480
of the second season and

1304
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,079
they are researching pan

1305
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,000
you know dan dutton's opera cycle his

1306
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,760
four-part opera cycle which is really

1307
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:54,960
famous that ket

1308
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,800
filmed is called the secret commonwealth

1309
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:01,119
and the episode that i'm in the eighth

1310
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,319
episode where they really

1311
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,839
reveal all the summerset stuff it's

1312
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,599
called the secret commonwealth

1313
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,920
and so in dan where he had this

1314
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,680
encounter in elkhorn city

1315
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,760
you know that we're going to reproduce

1316
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,440
artistically

1317
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:16,640
his opera his dance opera in

1318
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,920
breaks interstate park to see if we can

1319
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,400
invoke that experience again for him not

1320
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,760
really to summon

1321
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:26,800
pan but in a sense summon pan in an

1322
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:30,559
artistic way right and that's the finale

1323
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:34,559
of the film and then the finale of

1324
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,400
hell your second season they attempt to

1325
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:41,520
perform a ritual to summon pan

1326
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,040
here in pulaski county in the caves

1327
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,319
right where all of this weird [\h__\h]

1328
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,319
has been happening centered in that part

1329
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:52,400
of the county and i was just like this

1330
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:52,720
is

1331
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,559
totally nuts and i texted greg that

1332
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,520
morning and i'm like

1333
00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:00,079
dude i'm working on this film with dan

1334
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,640
dutton

1335
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,319
and that's when greg says to me he texts

1336
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,079
me back he's like i'm looking at

1337
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,200
dan dutton on my wall he didn't make it

1338
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:08,640
into the second season because i just

1339
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,280
didn't know

1340
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,880
how this guy that was so tied to pan

1341
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,280
fit into all this and it was just one of

1342
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,119
those weird things it's like

1343
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,839
no matter what you think about their

1344
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:21,920
researcher or what we're researching

1345
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,240
it's an incredibly strange intersection

1346
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,000
of it's just beyond coincidence

1347
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,119
that they came from helya kentucky

1348
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,960
which is elkhorn city it's the suburb of

1349
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,319
valporn city

1350
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,720
to somerset and ended up trying to

1351
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:39,920
summon pan

1352
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,800
in a ritual in a cave and that dan and i

1353
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,400
unbeknownst to them

1354
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,960
were working on a film where we went to

1355
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,559
elkhorn city

1356
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:51,920
hillier to restage his

1357
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,280
fawn opera to invoke pan and it's just

1358
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,960
so strange you know i mean

1359
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,000
outside of all the other stuff it's like

1360
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,880
that's incredibly odd you know right

1361
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:04,960
well when you read a lot of these

1362
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,319
books and articles from

1363
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,480
paranormal high strangeness

1364
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,720
investigators they often find themselves

1365
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,640
being part of the mystery they get hit

1366
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,319
with so much synchronicity

1367
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,640
that it feels like something is leading

1368
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,599
them along

1369
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:22,319
and it seems like you felt that as well

1370
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,720
and

1371
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:25,520
to talk about some of the lighter stuff

1372
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,240
again

1373
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,040
the goblins are obviously very

1374
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,280
fascinating but there's also another

1375
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:34,079
weird one in episode two where you talk

1376
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,040
about a

1377
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:38,960
couple who saw some sort of manta ray

1378
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,240
creature undulating or sort of swimming

1379
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,400
through the sky but it was also

1380
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,160
transparent they could see

1381
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:48,960
stars in the night sky through its body

1382
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,680
that is pretty out there

1383
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,920
man that's probably one of my favorite

1384
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,720
stories

1385
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,520
of this area right that's an official

1386
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,720
mufon

1387
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,160
report that was submitted to them

1388
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,640
god is it 2005. i can't think of it off

1389
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,640
the top of it but i think it was 2005.

1390
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,400
but it was recent you know in the last

1391
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:10,319
20 years 15 20 years

1392
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:14,400
that yeah a couple in burnside which is

1393
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,400
just five miles south like somerset sort

1394
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,079
of stretches into burnside

1395
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,240
you know burnside's one of those old

1396
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,359
towns

1397
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,800
that when they built the lake here

1398
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,400
that's the other thing that's here in

1399
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,520
pulaski county

1400
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,280
is lake cumberland which at one point

1401
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:30,640
was the largest man-made

1402
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,319
lake east of the mississippi river

1403
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,880
so burnside was one of those towns that

1404
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,839
was flooded

1405
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:40,079
and they ended up moving the entire town

1406
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,359
up to higher ground

1407
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,520
which is kind of fascinating the town

1408
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,400
itself

1409
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,599
is still under water and so if you dive

1410
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,000
under the lake you can still see the

1411
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,920
layout of the town

1412
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:53,680
and all the street lights and there are

1413
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,319
all these crazy ghost stories about

1414
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:59,040
the people seeing in their boats beneath

1415
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,680
them

1416
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,920
the street lights coming on which i love

1417
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:03,040
that story you know it's

1418
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,200
just you know it's folklore so burnside

1419
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,520
that's where they saw this this couple

1420
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,720
had come home

1421
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,200
and i think it was after midnight and

1422
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,559
they saw

1423
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,680
in the sky this flying what they

1424
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:18,880
described as a

1425
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,880
manta ray creature you know ufo

1426
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,720
that they could see through and see the

1427
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,000
stars

1428
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:28,000
and that it was undulating flying

1429
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,119
through the sky

1430
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:32,400
what's fascinating about this is that

1431
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,000
those same sightings are reported

1432
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,480
on the west coast of the united states

1433
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,599
frequently

1434
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:42,800
and there's a farm in

1435
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:46,000
the northwest god i can't think of the

1436
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:46,880
name of it

1437
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:50,000
but the guy guarantees that you're going

1438
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:53,599
to e city there's at the east city ranch

1439
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:57,119
oh james gilliland yes yes james gilland

1440
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:58,000
yes

1441
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,480
so one of the hosts of coast to coast

1442
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,359
was it might have been jimmy church or

1443
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,720
not jimmy church but i think it was one

1444
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:07,599
of the guys that was on

1445
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:11,119
coast to coast had a siding while at the

1446
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:12,079
ranch

1447
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,240
of one of these flying manta rays

1448
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,760
which that was the first time i'd ever

1449
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,599
heard of it was on coast coast

1450
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:22,079
and then you find the same type of

1451
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:22,720
siding

1452
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,000
reported to mufon here in somerset

1453
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,880
and it's within one mile of a place

1454
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,680
called

1455
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:32,720
alien grave mountain where this guy

1456
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,040
claims in 1963 there was a ufo crash

1457
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,520
and it's totally nuts man it's a totally

1458
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,760
crazy story but i love that that's one

1459
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,200
of my favorite

1460
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,319
sightings of anything ufo or sky

1461
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,440
creature

1462
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,119
and see that harkens on what we were

1463
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,920
just talking about the idea of these

1464
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,440
translucent things in the upper

1465
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:56,000
atmosphere you know was it a ufo was it

1466
00:53:24,150 --> 00:52:56,640
a

1467
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,160
people

1468
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:27,280
which it should i mean i'm gonna mention

1469
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,760
this

1470
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,200
i mean i hope it's all right to mention

1471
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,240
this because i talked to

1472
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:35,280
i talked to tim renner about this a bit

1473
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:35,680
on

1474
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:38,960
strange familiars right because

1475
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,559
i think richard spence who did agent 666

1476
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,119
and empire of the will with walter

1477
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:46,960
bosley with

1478
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:50,160
the san bernardino murders i mentioned

1479
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:51,359
this whole idea of like

1480
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,119
is this stuff happening everywhere and

1481
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:57,760
richard spence was sort of the mindset

1482
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,319
yeah

1483
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,000
it is happening everywhere it was

1484
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,079
happening my town it was happening in

1485
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,319
san bernardino

1486
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,440
and when i talked to tim

1487
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:10,079
renner though about this and we were

1488
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,440
talking about folklore and the

1489
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,839
connection between people and place

1490
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:16,480
and looking at your own hometown he

1491
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,119
mentioned

1492
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,400
that he had done an experiment about

1493
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,119
whether or not you could just pick a

1494
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,480
random town

1495
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,839
and find all this stuff so he did that

1496
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:28,640
experiment

1497
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,920
and he didn't find anything and so it's

1498
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:32,800
like

1499
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,680
i think everyone everywhere should dig

1500
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:37,359
into their town and find

1501
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,359
that folklore and find those stories

1502
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:44,880
that form this sort of underlying

1503
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,839
strata from what makes a place

1504
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:48,720
interesting

1505
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,559
but also what makes that place influence

1506
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:53,599
people you know people

1507
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,559
don't realize how much folklore

1508
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:57,760
influences

1509
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:00,960
their own personal identity because

1510
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,400
you are sort of where you live in a way

1511
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,200
and also that place is what it is

1512
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,880
because of you

1513
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,440
and the stories you tell and the stories

1514
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,520
that everybody tells that lives there

1515
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,720
right and so there's this weird

1516
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,119
interplay and so i think

1517
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,440
anybody wherever you are if you're

1518
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,559
listening this

1519
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,640
you should dig deeper into where you

1520
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,480
live because you're going to find

1521
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,520
you're going to find something

1522
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,000
interesting are you going to find

1523
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:29,440
something

1524
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,559
you know i will say i think there are

1525
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:34,799
very few places

1526
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,400
with as much weirdness as this place

1527
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,559
and i think that's what timothy rainer

1528
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,000
was kind of saying is that

1529
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,720
there are certain places like toad road

1530
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,359
or

1531
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:48,400
skinwalker ranch where it's like

1532
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,359
those places are these

1533
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,440
concentrations of high strangers

1534
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,760
and i think this is one of those places

1535
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:58,799
but

1536
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,079
you can't find that you don't know where

1537
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,480
if you are in one of those places until

1538
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,680
you start

1539
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:08,799
digging

1540
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,680
and you start looking at where you live

1541
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:12,559
because

1542
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,079
ultimately you know where we all are

1543
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,720
they're fascinating things and i just

1544
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:20,400
think people should

1545
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,319
value folklore more and value

1546
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,559
understanding how the place that you

1547
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,680
live in

1548
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,359
affects you and how you affect that

1549
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,440
place and that's why penny roll

1550
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,480
the tagline to it is the magic

1551
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,040
and mystery of place because i just

1552
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:38,640
think that's

1553
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,000
a worthwhile thing to engage

1554
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:45,280
yeah cheers to that man well said i do

1555
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,760
agree

1556
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,480
having done this show for 10 years you

1557
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,240
kind of start to try to think of

1558
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:52,880
creative ways to cover things and

1559
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,240
one of the biggest hits has been to

1560
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,960
do deep dives with local researchers

1561
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,599
about

1562
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,240
the place they live whether it's phoenix

1563
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,040
arizona or the susquehanna river

1564
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:08,880
or philadelphia for various reasons

1565
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,839
people who just have the eyes to see can

1566
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:13,920
pick up on a whole lot of

1567
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,799
amazing stuff and you know let's just

1568
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,640
add this to the list i mean this was a

1569
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:19,280
great one

1570
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:22,000
and kentucky of all places one of the

1571
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,359
few states i don't know if i've ever

1572
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,880
even been to

1573
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:27,040
just pretty crazy and i do think with

1574
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,720
some of the weird

1575
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,960
possible nazi ties it's like where do

1576
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,280
you go to do this stuff when you've been

1577
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,240
blown up so high on the radar you got to

1578
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,599
go where nobody is

1579
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:40,559
you go to these compounds in argentina

1580
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,040
you go

1581
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,240
to the middle of

1582
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,200
kentucky it's crazy but i think that

1583
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,200
strategically that would make sense and

1584
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,799
for us to be learning about that a few

1585
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,079
decades later

1586
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,000
wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the

1587
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,200
world so

1588
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,920
i think he did a great podcast series

1589
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,319
man it was really fun to hear all the

1590
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,480
various interviews stacked up the way

1591
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,440
you did it solid production value

1592
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,520
before we go anything else to tell

1593
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,280
people before we call it in you know get

1594
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,680
the podcast wherever podcasts are found

1595
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,359
you're doing a season two what else you

1596
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,880
want to tell them

1597
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:16,799
yeah um yeah season two is going to be

1598
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,680
coming out september the 21st

1599
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,880
it'll be done this summer we've got

1600
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,599
a patreon called the liminal lodge but

1601
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:26,880
you can just look us up

1602
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,640
pennyroyal on patreon find us

1603
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,799
secret facebook page as part of the limo

1604
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:35,440
lodge we're doing all kinds of research

1605
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,599
on random number generators and

1606
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,799
if you listen to the podcast like

1607
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,920
there's a lot of stuff that we're

1608
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,040
researching

1609
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:46,160
because we do all this data science to

1610
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,720
test

1611
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,119
some of these theories about cybernetics

1612
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:51,839
and about observational

1613
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,799
qualities of magic and things and really

1614
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,359
we're just

1615
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,640
all digging into this mystery together

1616
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,680
and all of our research all the

1617
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,960
newspaper articles

1618
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,280
all the [\h__\h] we've gotten from the fbi

1619
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,359
like cia documents like

1620
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,359
everything we've come across everything

1621
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,400
we've found

1622
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,640
we're providing it to this community and

1623
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,760
they're giving us

1624
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,280
and we've been doing this for since

1625
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:17,680
november you know so

1626
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:20,240
god it's been fantastic man so if

1627
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,599
anybody wants to

1628
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,160
help us dig more into this and try to

1629
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,760
dig through all these documents

1630
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,480
and understand the mystery of what's

1631
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:30,880
happening here on the penny royal

1632
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,920
definitely check out our patreon and

1633
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:36,240
check out the website and hopefully

1634
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,280
they'll tune in for

1635
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,520
uh season two there was just so much

1636
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,440
that we couldn't include in season one

1637
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,000
that was part of the mystery that it

1638
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,400
just gets weird man

1639
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,640
the longer we look at it the weirder it

1640
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,160
gets

1641
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,480
amen man my business is weird and

1642
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:54,880
business is good so

1643
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:57,839
you put on an awesome show i am psyched

1644
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,319
to

1645
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,480
see it continue and i had a blast

1646
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,760
talking to you man hopefully we can do

1647
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,720
this again

1648
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,880
but keep doing what you do out there and

1649
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,880
tell the cis guy i wish him well

1650
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,760
no for sure man dude thank you again so

1651
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,440
much for having me tonight man i'm

1652
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,760
totally i mean i love the show been a

1653
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,599
long time fan and also just

1654
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,400
thanks for having me that's fantastic so

1655
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,160
too kind my pleasure

1656
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:22,000
well enjoy the evening man have a good

1657
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,030
mountain mama yes that was certainly

1658
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:33,440
a wild ride high strangeness in the

1659
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,480
penny royal

1660
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,559
meat showers goblins portals

1661
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,160
subterranean cults

1662
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:40,880
what more could a person want i honestly

1663
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,680
just never

1664
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,839
really knew much about this area i've

1665
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,359
never been to kentucky

1666
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,599
but the more i think about the landscape

1667
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,359
and the mammoth cave system

1668
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,520
and the foothills of the appalachians

1669
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,680
the remoteness the large amount of

1670
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,440
quartz crystal

1671
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,200
it's a pretty perfect place for

1672
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:58,880
weirdness

1673
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,680
i do like doing paranormal episodes or

1674
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,839
things that get into cryptids but

1675
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,920
sometimes the stories are just so

1676
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:07,200
similar

1677
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:08,839
that you feel like you heard it before

1678
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,240
but

1679
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,680
with this one i think we were able to

1680
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,000
highlight a lot of stories that don't

1681
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:16,319
fit the typical mold

1682
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:19,160
like that old kentucky meat shower of

1683
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,559
1876. i can't get over that one

1684
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,119
and of course the hopkinsville goblins

1685
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,559
is a wild story as

1686
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,720
is the very similar story that kicked

1687
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,880
off the hellier series

1688
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,280
and when that came out a lot of thc fans

1689
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,359
wrote me and said dude you gotta watch

1690
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,480
helya it's right up your alley but i

1691
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,839
don't know

1692
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,880
for me i was a little underwhelmed i

1693
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,640
loved that first episode

1694
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,680
but after that it just didn't feel that

1695
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,200
exciting

1696
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,280
it started to feel like your typical

1697
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,599
paranormal investigators show

1698
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,400
to me stretching things to make them

1699
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,000
more interesting

1700
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,039
really straining to shoehorn in

1701
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:04,000
some synchronicity this is what happens

1702
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:04,880
in the studio

1703
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,799
production process but we did have alan

1704
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:09,680
greenfield

1705
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,559
on thc around the time that helyer was

1706
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,000
coming out

1707
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,480
and even though his secret cipher of the

1708
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,440
euphenots is a big part of the show

1709
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:22,319
his book is really great and it stands

1710
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,359
on its own

1711
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,599
and it sits right in that sweet spot of

1712
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,799
occult summoning

1713
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:29,520
of quote unquote alien beans blurring

1714
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,319
the lines

1715
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:33,520
as we like to do man i thought that was

1716
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:34,319
a good book

1717
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,680
and alan was a great interview as was

1718
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:39,839
nathan isaac i'm pretty happy with the

1719
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,480
show today

1720
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:43,599
big thanks to him great show to release

1721
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:46,960
just a day after my birthday how about

1722
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,760
that what do i want for my birthday

1723
01:02:54,029 --> 01:02:51,839
i want messages about strange

1724
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:54,039
experiences and wild theories at the

1725
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,520
highersidechats.com

1726
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,400
voicemail i'm going out of town this

1727
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,000
weekend but i'm coming back

1728
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,480
doing that joint session before march

1729
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:03,599
ends and i

1730
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,280
need those messages content is king

1731
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:09,200
people and for the joint sessions that's

1732
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:10,160
really

1733
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:14,079
whatever you decide to uh send my way

1734
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,680
what else would i want for my birthday

1735
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:17,200
oh i don't know i guess i would just

1736
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,599
want

1737
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:20,160
you to treat yourself to a plus

1738
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,039
subscription

1739
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:24,240
how thoughtless of me right what a guy i

1740
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,720
am

1741
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,280
but i also wanted to mention updates and

1742
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,440
additions to the thc forum

1743
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,000
i just added groups so people are able

1744
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:34,079
to form their own groups now which i

1745
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,280
think will help

1746
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,839
some people form connections in the

1747
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,200
community better than just

1748
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:42,000
forum threads and i added the live chat

1749
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:42,960
rooms as well

1750
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,559
so one of them you can just pop in

1751
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:49,359
and just talk to whoever's there and one

1752
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:50,720
is going to be accompanied

1753
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,359
by the wthc 24 7 radio live stream

1754
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,000
and that in my mind makes for a good

1755
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,839
prompt for conversation and an

1756
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:00,880
interesting

1757
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,240
live group listening experience for thc

1758
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:05,680
which is kind of a new way

1759
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,960
to do the thing i'm spending more time

1760
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,920
there

1761
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,000
i think it's pretty clear it has

1762
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:13,760
improved a lot in the last

1763
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:16,880
60 90 days and it's gonna keep getting

1764
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,839
better because

1765
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,319
i really think that that's probably the

1766
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:22,640
next step for this thing i'm gonna do

1767
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:25,359
the same show i always have done and

1768
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,160
people

1769
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,720
are here for that but i also think it's

1770
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,079
important to network

1771
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,000
and come together with like-minded

1772
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,880
people particularly in this time so i

1773
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,119
want to make it easy for you guys to

1774
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,520
do that i figured let's just do it in

1775
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:41,599
our own system rather than jumping from

1776
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,039
platform to platform

1777
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,000
but yes i'm trying to get this chat up i

1778
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:49,680
can see it on my screen but

1779
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,920
i might not have configured it correctly

1780
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,960
because i put a few

1781
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,720
test messages in there and nobody's

1782
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:56,559
responded so

1783
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,480
it must be hidden for non-admins but

1784
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,480
i did say in there the first person to

1785
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,319
respond

1786
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:07,280
in that chat room gets a free thc shirt

1787
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,400
so

1788
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,160
the fact that no one did i guess

1789
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,079
probably people can't see it yet but

1790
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,000
keep an eye out on that i'm gonna go

1791
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,160
through the settings toggle things left

1792
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,760
and right you know how it goes

1793
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,839
and uh it should pop up there and then

1794
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:20,880
someone can claim

1795
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,000
that prize but yes nathan

1796
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,839
really pulled together a lot of great

1797
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,839
stuff for season one of his penny royal

1798
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,880
podcast

1799
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,440
not only paranormal activity but this

1800
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:33,599
weird life of alexander

1801
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:37,359
duterma this guy who beneath his cover

1802
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,480
story might have been an ex-nazi officer

1803
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,520
i don't even think we talked about this

1804
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:45,280
part in the interview but apparently

1805
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:48,839
at one point he flew to la drove out to

1806
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:52,319
roswell kidnapped a baby and took it to

1807
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:53,680
the philippines

1808
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,039
and that was before i think he was

1809
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,799
charged with the largest stock

1810
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,240
manipulation in history

1811
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,799
up to that point and then he gets out of

1812
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:03,760
jail and

1813
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:06,799
buys a mine in rural kentucky

1814
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,640
okay just wild and then i think it was

1815
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,799
in the plush show but nathan mentioned

1816
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,799
he would tell me a little bit more off

1817
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:16,000
air

1818
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,920
and yeah there's a decent amount more to

1819
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,760
the story and i hope he tells the rest

1820
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:23,520
of the world in season two

1821
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,559
but it is not my place to say

1822
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,319
but if you're only hearing the first

1823
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,240
free hour of the higher side chats

1824
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,240
you're missing half the show

1825
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,480
sign up for plus throw me a few bones

1826
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,640
and get yourself the full thc plus

1827
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:38,640
experience just in this episode we

1828
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:39,520
talked about

1829
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,319
the oakwood clinics occult activities

1830
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,160
the channeling of the nine

1831
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,720
mk ultra and the abuse of clairvoyance

1832
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,240
and sears

1833
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,119
what nathan has learned about magic the

1834
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,720
connections between

1835
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:55,520
binary and divination that really blew

1836
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,559
my mind

1837
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,000
and a real contender to the meat shower

1838
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:03,839
story the back cyst ball bearing

1839
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:06,400
incident you plus people know what i'm

1840
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,280
talking about

1841
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:10,160
but i always try to keep my interviews

1842
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,359
action-packed

1843
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,520
focused on the material they're always

1844
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,039
commercial free

1845
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,720
i want to make the best show i can for

1846
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,480
you guys that it's worth the price of a

1847
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,000
subscription and we both

1848
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:23,520
win without any advertisers so help me

1849
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,640
help you

1850
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,119
you get access to the private rss feed

1851
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,799
you don't have to listen to the show

1852
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,240
from my website

1853
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,640
you can use most podcast players like

1854
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,039
you're doing right now

1855
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:37,680
anyway the very top link in your show

1856
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:38,319
notes

1857
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:41,359
should take you right there but i

1858
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:42,640
suppose that's a wrap

1859
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,319
really wild stories interesting area

1860
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,400
who knows how an area gets weird to

1861
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:50,079
begin with but it's certainly

1862
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,440
stacking up in kentucky take care guys

1863
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:55,359
much love and thanks for listening i've

1864
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:56,400
done my part

1865
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,119
your move cave goblins meet showers and

1866
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,280
paranormal portal openers of the penny

1867
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:02,559
royal

1868
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:05,920
you're [\h__\h]

1869
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:10,160
woke up this morning

1870
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:14,720
in my eyes and then realized

1871
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:25,960
it was light coming

1872
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:34,789
[Music]

1873
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:38,070
must be those strangers that

1874
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:41,759
come every night whose

1875
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:44,799
sausage shaped light put

1876
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,040
people up tight

1877
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:52,560
leave blue green footprints that

1878
01:09:06,309 --> 01:08:57,120
glow in the dark i hope

1879
01:09:07,650 --> 01:09:06,319
they get home all right

1880
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,660
spaceman

1881
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:09,359
[Music]

1882
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:13,440
won't you please take me along

1883
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,170
hey mr spaceman

1884
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:23,839
[Music]

1885
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:37,120
this along i was feeling

1886
01:09:42,820 --> 01:09:42,239
quite weird i had flights in my beard

1887
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:42,830
my

1888
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:50,309
i opened toothpaste window they

1889
01:10:03,510 --> 01:09:53,920
written my name said

1890
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:03,520
so long i will see you up again

1891
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:11,189
won't you please take me along

1892
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:15,120
i won't do anything wrong

1893
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,860
hey mr spaceman

1894
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:21,600
[Music]

1895
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:35,910
mr spaceman

1896
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:40,000
won't you please take me along

1897
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:45,830
i won't do anything wrong

1898
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:50,480
[Music]

1899
01:11:00,380 --> 01:10:58,080
won't you please take me along

1900
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,390
you please

1901
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:01,760
[Music]

1902
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:04,800
take me along